In our final episode of Season 9, we’re speaking with Jill Gunter, Chief Strategy Officer at Espresso Systems, the coordination layer that unites chains, rollups, and applications.

We start off with a hot topic nowadays which is whether we should be focusing more on building infrastructure or apps. You might assume you know where Jill stands on this topic as someone who’s working on a middleware solution, but there’s actually a lot more to the story from her perspective.

Jill has lots of excellent analogies to help us better understand technical concepts like shared sequencers and rollups, and she debunks some common misconceptions people have about Espresso ahead of their mainnet launch this quarter.